Posts by Lost in the fog

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Help Elders poking nose in

by Formerbrother in

jw
friends

what can i do when elders want to poke their nose in?.

they want to have another chat with me and my wife, but we dont want to, it just gets us down..

Lost in the fog

About 3 years ago we had a CO and an elder turn up unexpectedly on our doorstep. "We just thought we'd give you a shepherding call when we are in the area," said the elder.

So I said directly to the CO that I understood shepherding calls had to be scheduled with the individuals in advance. He agreed. I said so why hadn't they done it. Still, said the elder, since they were here maybe they could just step inside anyway.

To that I said no. It didn't suit as we were busy. But I hoped they'd have more success on their next call. After looking one to the other, they turned away and left.

That is the last time a CO plus elder has come back to our house, even when we see through the window that they are visiting other JWs who live very close by us.

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Spot the signs of a toxic leadership.

by Lost in the fog in

i came across this article in the magazine psychology today.

it is about the traits of poor leaders in the field of employment although you could easily think it had been written about the gb.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culture-shrink/201607/8-traits-toxic-leadership-avoid.

Lost in the fog

I came across this article in the magazine Psychology Today. It is about the traits of poor leaders in the field of employment although you could easily think it had been written about the GB.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/culture-shrink/201607/8-traits-toxic-leadership-avoid

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But it's alright if we do it.

by Lost in the fog in

we were talking with a friend who is in a different area and they mentioned that their present kingdom hall building used to be a church before the brothers bought it cheaply and renovated it.

"of course," john then said, "it'll be dedicated to jehovah after all the work is done so even if everyone in the community still call it the old church, we'll know it is jehovah’s place of worship.

hadn't consciously thought about it until now, but isn't it hypocrisy to (re)dedicate a church and it becomes ok for the witnesses to use.

Lost in the fog

We were talking with a friend who is in a different area and they mentioned that their present Kingdom Hall building used to be a church before the brothers bought it cheaply and renovated it. "Of course," John then said, "it'll be dedicated to Jehovah after all the work is done so even if everyone in the community still call it the old church, we'll know it is Jehovah’s place of worship."

Hadn't consciously thought about it until now, but isn't it hypocrisy to (re)dedicate a church and it becomes OK for the witnesses to use. When the same witnesses condemn Christendom for (re)dedicating pagan celebrations into the church such as the sun god to the Son God, and Christmas etc. Surely it is exactly the same principle.

Of course it is alright if "we" do it, but totally wrong if any other church group does it. Typical spin doctors.

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UK Newspaper Investigation, Your Stories Requested

by Slidin Fast in

the guardian, no less, is asking for stories of abuse at the hands of jws.

they seem to be doing a serious investigation, you can tell your story anonymously, on the record or in any combination to suit you.

this may be the start of a real spotlight on dubdom.

Lost in the fog

I was just reading the Guardian article on this. It is interesting that constituents' Members of Parliament are also asking about the inquiry taking place. About time someone scrutinised and called the JC elders to personal account.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/08/child-sex-abuse-inquiry-considers-separate-jehovahs-witnesses-uk-investigation

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How many are PIMO ??

by Phizzy in

i know we cannot answer this, how many are physically in, mentally out (pimo), but i heard an amazing piece of news the other day.. an ex-p.o and ex-elder, a long time regular pioneer, and when i knew him a stalwart believer, went for a drink with another jw who has actually left, but is not df or anything.. in the course of conversation he came out with this bombshell "well, i am actually an atheist now, i just go along to keep my wife happy".. i also heard of a number of youngsters that i know personally who are simply living their life as they want, whilst making sure they don't get df'd for family and social reasons.. if as it seems the pimo's are a huge number, could there be a huge " awakening" where they all realize they are in a huge group, and they all say " eff it, lets call it a day on all the jw s**t ".

?.

wishful thinking, but.....just possible ?.

Lost in the fog

Stan, Red Socks ? what are the Bros going to wear?

Well Phizzy I think it's obvious - tight trousers 👖.

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A Book About Cults.

by Lost in the fog in

i've been told that this book is a good read.

has anyone on here read it and can say what's in it or what's it about?

it is quite expensive to buy.

Lost in the fog

I've been told that this book is a good read. Has anyone on here read it and can say what's in it or what's it about? It is quite expensive to buy. Thanks.

Rick Alan Ross - "Cults Inside Out: How People Get In and Can Get Out."

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Blood Issue.......something for thought, where is the logic.

by CovertsadJW in

i have yet to read about the contradictions in the jw teachings on blood, but i have personally witnessed one.

i am a medical professional and have seen hemopure administered for an active jw who did refuse a blood transfusion.

its not fda approved here, but given in special life saving circumstances.

Lost in the fog

We know of a brother who was in hospital and was asked about blood fractions and secondary blood components etc etc.

Anyway one of the doctors asked him at what point would an acceptable fraction given multiple times reach the level where it became unacceptable because of the accrued effect. The brother said he hadn't a clue, and left the doctor walking away shaking his head.

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Shocking

by Freedom rocks in

their version of helping people.

totally shocking.

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Lost in the fog

"To the extent that you did it to the least of these my brothers you did it to me."

The GB apply these words to the anointed class, saying how much the other sheep should support the anointed by preaching etc.

I used to work alongside a girl who was a Methodist and she'd been busy one weekend with her church supporting a local community cause. Anyway she was telling everyone about it on the Monday morning and she quoted the above words of Jesus, adding of course everyone who looks to the Father, Jesus has accepted as his brother. To her it wasn't about reinterpretating Jesus's words as picturing a "class", it was about taking them at face value.

Simple as that.

PS: I have always supported charities that help people and animals. I never understand JWs saying they won't give to worldly charities. I always took it to be a matter of conscience. Of course now I only give to charities doing good deeds and haven't donated anything to the WTS for several years now.

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Female Perspective about WTS, marital relationship & control

by Muddy Waters in

despite my user name, am female.

i was not born-in, began studying when i was around 20, am 50 damn years old now and have spent almost the last 30 years in that stupid religion.

but here are some observations, make of them what you will.

Lost in the fog

It's a great post you have put up here.

I remember an elder at elders meetings (back when I was still there) who would bring up an issue affecting the congregation in his opinion.

And I would say "how do you know that?"

And he would say, "I heard about it."

And someone else would say "who did you hear it from?"

And he would say "it is unimportant where I heard it, we need to deal with this person, or issue."

And I would jump in with "But is the person who repeated this to you a gossiper, are they even a reliable source of information?"

And he would get all worked up, and say how we couldn't let this problem fester etc, etc.

BECAUSE we all knew where he had heard it, it came from his wife! who definitely wore the pants in his home. But would he ever be honest and say "my wife told me about...." Of course not because that would make him look like he was not exercising his headship in the house.

And besides even back then it felt really good to wind him up.

The funny thing is that I recently heard that he is now the co-ordinator for his congregation, so I guess it's really his wife who is still directing things through him like a puppet on a string.

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Acronym with another meaning.

by Lost in the fog in

i was reading one of the jw archive pages and i kept coming across the acronym lgbt.

i thought it strange because with the org's anti-gay rhetoric why would they be referring so much to the lgbt community.

finally i reached the end of the article and waded through all the footnotes to discover that lgbt was shorthand for the book let god be true.

Lost in the fog

I was reading one of the JW archive pages and I kept coming across the acronym LGBT.

I thought it strange because with the Org's anti-gay rhetoric why would they be referring so much to the LGBT community.

Finally I reached the end of the article and waded through all the footnotes to discover that LGBT was shorthand for the book Let God Be True.

Lol. 😁😁😁😁